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Episode 13: Carpe Jugulum by Terry Pratchett with Amy Winters

6/20/2024 | 35m



Join us, Dear Listeners, as we delve into Terry Pratchett’s Discworld through the novel Carpe Jugulum with podcast co-host and episode guest Amy Winters. The conversation covers the responsibility of choice, standing in between the light and the dark, the hilarious awkwardness of Death, and the subtle empathy of stern people who take on the weight of hard decisions. There’s also just a touch of Bridgerton and the 1995 BBC Pride and Prejudice miniseries!

This Episode's Guest

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Amy Winters is a writer, editor, and all around storyteller with a BA and MA in English Literature and an MA in American Studies. She spends her days working to advance education across the nation (no small feat!). She is also a self defense expert, so she may be able to kick your butt and then tell a good story about it. Amy is a host on the literary podcast, Finding Good Bones.

Amy's Show Notes

  • What Amy is reading - The Southern Book Club's Guide to Slaying Vampires by Grady Hendrix - https://www.gradyhendrix.com/southernbookclub 

    • Kate is pretty sure she gave Amy a copy of Grady Hendrix’s The Final Girls Support Group that she now hopes isn’t too grisly???

  • What Kate is reading - To Be Taught, If Fortunate - Book Four in the Wayfarers series by Becky Chambers: https://www.otherscribbles.com/#/tobetaught/ 

  • I’m not sure how many vertebrae can be shown, but if we’re talking about one dead human body, it most likely cannot be more than 33.

  • A healthy, living brain is soft, and described by Neurosurgeon Katrina Firlik as similar to tofu in her 2006 book Another Day in the Frontal Lobe: A Brain Surgeon Exposes Life on the Inside. She also says damaged or swollen brain tissue is closer to the consistency of toothpaste. You're welcome. https://www.npr.org/5396405 

  • If you’d like, you can read Amy and Kate’s Bridgerton text conversation: https://33805ff3-9040-4466-a231-b60f37348376.usrfiles.com/ugd/33805f_0683431b47964d22885df9a4a8362ddf.pdf 

  • The 1995 BBC Pride and Prejudice is a six-episode British television drama (honestly definitely more dramedy), adapted by Andrew Davies from Jane Austen's 1813 novel of the same name. It was the world's introduction to Colin Firth. 

    • While generally quite faithful to the book, it does include one steamy scene where Mr. Darcy, so overcome by his frustrations, strips down to his Regency underwear and dives into a small pond on his estate Pemberly. He then is just walking back to his house in his underwear when he unexpectedly encounters Miss Elizabeth Bennet, the source of this frustration, who has herself been assured that the family (him) would not arrive until the next day. And he's in his UNDERWEAR!!! You can watch the scene here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hasKmDr1yrA 

      • Missing from this is Kate yelling her husband "He's in his UNDERWEAR, Alex!!! Like, that's the Recency equivalent of his UNDERWEAR. He ran into his crush in his UNDERWEAR, Alex!!!" which has occurred many times while watching together.

  • Meet this episode’s guest Amy Winters: Amy Winters is a writer, editor, and all around storyteller with a BA and MA in English Literature and an MA in American Studies. She spends her days working to advance education across the nation (no small feat!). She is also a self defense expert, so she may be able to kick your butt and then tell a good story about it. Amy is a host on the literary podcast, Finding Good Bones.

  • Sir Terence David John Pratchett OBE (Terry Pratchett) was an incredibly prolific and beloved English author and humourist known primarily for his fantasy work (though he wrote other genres as well). He is perhaps best known for his Discworld series, and the novel Good Omens cowritten with Neil Gaiman. He had amazing eyebrows, a big bushy beard, and usually wore a jaunty black hat - a Louisiana fedora. He wrote over 70 books between 1971 and 2015, with his final novel The Shepherd's Crown, also the final (41st) Discworld novel, published posthumously in August of 2015. He died in March of 2015 from complications from early onset Alzheimer’s disease. https://terrypratchett.com/terry-pratchett/

  • Carpe Jugulum, published in 1998, is the 23rd Discworld novel. The title translates from “Latatian” as “go for the throat”, which makes a lot of sense as Amy has mentioned, our main antagonists are vampires! That Terry Pratchett is a clever fellow. https://terrypratchett.com/books/carpe-jugulum/

  • Esmerelda “Esme” “Granny” Weatherwax is a powerful witch and member of the Lancre coven, serving as the Crone role in the triple goddess structure reflected by the coven. She appears in 11 novels, playing a major character in six, introduced initially in the 1987 book Equal Rites. She is tall and thin and usually wears a plain black dress with a black witches hat pinned to her steely gray bun. While she holds immense magical power, she does not often use it, preferring to rely mostly on what Amy has already mentioned, “headology” - folk psychology. She is respected, feared, relied on, disciplined, eternally practical, and her main saying is 'I can't be having with that kind of thing'. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/granny-weatherwax/

  • Discworld is a flat planet balanced on the backs of four elephants which are standing on the back of a giant turtle (I’m assuming it’s turtles all the way down from there). Discworld was introduced in the 1983 novel The Colour of Magic. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/discworld/

  • Rincewind is the first protagonist we meet in Discworld, also introduced in The Colour of Magic. He is a dropout of the wizarding school Unseen University, he is wizard with no skill or interest in being a hero, often running from those who want to kill him for various reasons, yet still manages to save Discworld on more than one occasion. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/rincewind/

  • His Grace, The Duke of Ankh, Commander Sir Samuel "Sam" Vimes is drunken captain of the three-person Ankh-Morpork City Watch, first appearing in the novel Guards! Guards!, published in 1989. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/sam-vimes/

  • Nanny Ogg is very much a foil to Granny Weatherwax, she’s boisterous and jolly, loves food and drink and sex - as Amy mentioned she has 15 children. She did have three husbands at different times, but all of her children have her surname. She is the “mother” role of the Lancre coven, except for when Granny Weatherwax retires, when she takes on Granny’s place and is forced "to be the... Other One" as she refers to it. She loves bawdy songs, has one tooth and a face like a  pumpkin. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/granny-weatherwax/ 

  • Death appears in every Discworld novel but two, portraying a main character in five of the books. His voice is indicated in script in unquoted small caps, and his said to be hollow and strange. He has a very Seventh Seal vibe, he will play games with the dying and is a skeleton wearing a large black cloak with a scythe. He is fascinated by humans and while he has responsibilities, he also has a soft side. He loves cats and curry, and keeps a garden in his home in Death's Domain. https://terrypratchett.com/book-categories/death/

    • Death in Discworld started out genderless, but by the 1987 novel Mort does use he/him pronouns, and is referred to as Daddy by his adopted daughter and Grandfather by his granddaughter. 

  • Binky is Death’s pale horse, he is a pure milky white and a real horse that just doesn’t age while in Death’s service. 

  • It is estimated that cows kill 20 – 22 people each year in the United States, which is more than sharks, wolves, alligators, and bears, but less than dogs or bees. https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s12024-024-00786-8 

  • Inhaling is the first stage of breathing, where the diaphragm contracts and moves downward increasing the space in the chest cavity to allow expansion of the lungs and the intake of oxygen.

  • The process of swallowing, also known as deglutition, involves dozens of muscles and takes place over three main stages: oral, pharyngeal, and esophageal phases.

  • Request a recommendation on a selection of writing picked by Kate and Amy just for you: https://www.findinggoodbones.com/contact

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